The Real Reason Shinesh Left Lefokolodi

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Maybe it's a moment to set the record straight.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Things are going so well. Wally.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

I'll give you all of the tea. For me, it got to a point where. How's it going? It's Nasi Pizwane. I'm back with another episode of Sludge Underground Podcast. Today I've got one of the most wholesome people in the uh obviously alternative scene in South Africa, Shinesh. We're gonna be talking a bit more about, you know, life after Le Fukolodi and just some of the new music and you know the new ventures that he's sort of been working on. Uh but yeah, before we even proceed, Shinesh, how are you doing today, bro?

SPEAKER_01 1:22

I'm good, I'm good. Um, it's nice that it's getting a bit warm outside. And I just got back from a haircut.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Looking absolutely smart, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Thanks, thanks.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

I want to start off on your rise to stardom, bro, because I always remember um a story, you know, Marcel would often say it, you know, how you guys met and how he sort of you know encountered you online and how you know you were playing guitar and so on. And you know, next thing, you know, there's Lefo Colordi, you guys are touring all over South Africa. You know, how did that even happen, bro? Like, and and at what point did you feel like we actually on now? You know, this is it.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Yeah, you know, it's it's quite interesting because I remember I met Marcel through TikTok. He was like making guitar videos, I was making guitar videos, we started chatting, and then he was like, Yeah, man, you should definitely join a band. And I remember telling him, like, no man, I don't I don't think I'm good enough to to be in a band. But then a few months later, I met the guys, and to be honest, I can't tell you how it ended up getting to a point where we were touring the country and you know, people started recognizing us. It guess it just sort of happened. Um, like we weren't doing anything necessarily different from what we were doing when no one knew who we were, which I think maybe is a key factor there, because like we were just you know, we were just doing what we do, and people caught onto it and started appreciating it.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

That is so wild, bro. Did anything change at all for you? I mean, from you know the times when you were streaming and you know you were playing guitar um on TikTok and so on, to you sort of now, you know, being in a full-on band with other guys and so on. I mean, was there a drastic change to, you know, how things used to be prior to LaFocalordie being, you know, in existence?

SPEAKER_01 3:03

No, definitely. I mean, um, if I were to show up to a venue before LaFocalordie, you know, I I could kind of like chill in the back, do my own thing, just enjoy bands and you know, mind my own business. Whereas like during LaFocalore and also post LaFocalordie, it'd be a thing of everyone was to come up and talk to you, which is you know great. But you know, sometimes you want to like chill by yourself and like you know, chill with your friends. Um, that aside, I think being in a band from just being a content creator per se, um, it's definitely changed my whole personality, not to a drastic extent, but like I'm a lot more outspoken, I'm a lot more confident in the way I can speak to people and express myself. And it's helped me like in all aspects of life, like regarding work and relationships and stuff like that. So being in a band definitely helps you get out of your shell and essentially discover who you are or be who you were meant to be, even though that sounds a bit corny, but it's it's true.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

It reminds me of something Marcella and I often joke about like we'll receive one like on a post and we'll share that how to handle fame uh meme. Like, you know, it's all like googling that. It's it's absolutely wild, bro. I mean, just looking at that contrast as well that you're speaking of, you know, from the moment you're creating content, next thing people just can't get enough of you at shows, bro. Did it ever get overwhelming at all? Would you say? I mean, obviously it's positive, it's a good thing that you know it's had a a positive sort of you know impact on you, but would you say there's a there's a sense of you know it being overwhelming a bit to a point?

SPEAKER_01 4:38

Yes, I'd be lying if it's uh if I said it didn't get overwhelming. Um I guess specifically with our case, it became a thing of like where we sort of transcended just the music aspect of it, and we became like you know, we became like role models to younger people. Um and uh there were a lot of expectations and stuff that came with that, which you know we never necessarily wanted, um, but when you get it, you gotta do it responsibly. You you have the responsibility to to be that. And it did get a bit tough because I mean, um dealing with all of that, and uh aside from the fact that most musicians, most local musicians, we're still like regular dudes in a sense, where you know, we still have jobs, we still have all of those other things going on in life, and then you get added pressure on top of the music thing, and it does get a bit it it gets a bit tense, it gets a bit a bit hectic to handle.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

I can definitely imagine, bro. Uh from those times, we're moving on to something a little more, I'd say maybe positive or anything. Are there what's what would you say is the craziest thing that ever happened to you while you're still in Lefo Collodi, you know, while either playing or just in general?

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Well, the one crazy thing that sort of like I can and I can recall off the top of my head, and I'm not just saying this because sludge is Durban based, but I remember the first time we ever played in Durban, um, we pulled up to the venue, and you know, we weren't expecting a lot of people to show up. Um, I remember it was a place called Aces Pizza. This was back in 2024.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

I was there.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

Yeah, you were there. I think that's where we met. Yeah. And we were like, whoa, this place is fucking packed. Like, um, what's going on? Like the other bands must be like, you know, like really great to pull this many people, but then we realized most of those people came for us, and then that was that was kind of a like uh it was kind of that moment where you're like, whoa, okay, people actually genuinely care about us, even though they've never met us before.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Yeah, it's absolutely wild. I'm busy looking for as you're speaking about that, bro. I'm looking for a photo. There's one photo that I took of you guys on on that night, bro. Uh, I think also Simon was also there when I saw SMPs. But um, I'm trying to find it for you, bro. It's like literally, I never published this, I never like posted it or anything. It literally just lives on my phone. Um, I don't know if you'll be able to see it for for editing. I'm gonna put it up on the screen.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Oh wow, I've never I've never seen that. I have never seen that.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Yeah, it's literally you guys, some of the guys from Huawei Baby, you're on there. You know, it was one of the craziest shows I'd ever been to. You know, how did you guys actually channel that sort of energy? Because I still feel like, you know, since obviously LeFour Call Audience and you obviously aren't in it anymore, but I really don't think we've seen anything quite like, you know, what you guys presented, you know, all the shows that you guys played.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Yeah, I mean, when you when you speak about those sort of special shows, um, I guess it is kind of interesting um because you don't think too hard, you don't you don't think, okay, I'm gonna go out and play the show tonight and it's gonna be like generational. Um, you just go where you go, you you're out of the venue with the intent of like just playing a show. But you know, I think during the course of the night, you can feel like there's an energy in the air. And when you get on stage and you know, it's like the spark just hits. That's how you know it's gonna be a good show. But you can only really tell like when you get to the venue and what the vibe is on the night. And um, you know, there's plenty, there's been plenty of shows where we may have thought it was going to be a like a killer show, and maybe to the people watching, they would have found it that way, but we would have been like, well, it's not as good as the other shows we've put on, you know. Um, but there's definitely like a feeling you you can feel when something's gonna be special, and that's the feeling I also got from Aces Pizza when we pulled up to the venue.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Yeah, it was actually also one of the very last shows that actually happened at Aces as well. So it was actually a really solid sort of send-off. And you know, my question would then be, bro, I mean, if you're experiencing, you know, so much wholesomeness, bro, and the way that the crowd is receiving you guys and so much love, bro, and attention from what you guys were doing and it being from you know a place of love, and you know, you could clearly see that you guys were in love with what you were doing. Um, I think the question would then be, you know, why leave? Obviously, you did cites um, you know, in in your post um that you put up with a lot of people obviously asking, you know, why you left and you know, immediately people will assume it's drama and beef and all that thing. Yeah, perhaps maybe it's a moment to set to set the record straight as well for anyone who might have missed that post, uh, or if you feel like there's anything that you may have not revealed or whatever, you know, things are going so well. Why does Jeanesse then decide it's time for me to actually step away from this?

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Yeah, okay. No, I I'll definitely I'll give you all of the T, like unfiltered. Like I'm gonna tell you straight up fuck those guys. I hate them. That's why I left. No, like on all in all seriousness, um, you know, sort of circling back to like the pressure aspect of it, that did play a small part. Um, not so much the pressure itself, it it's more like what it started doing to each of us individually. And for me, it got to a point where it it started becoming a bit difficult to handle, and it also started becoming a thing of where this is not even about music anymore. Um, this is about okay, you're posting on Instagram this specific time to get the algorithm to show show it to the most amount of people, so you get the most amount of likes, or you do it with the same with the reels, or you know, we have to we have to play this show and not play that show because it'll be better for us publicly, and like and it it started becoming a thing where it just wasn't really about the music anymore. Um, I mean there was a there was a stretch in there, like I know that most people might say like you know, 2024, 2025, that's when we were really, you know, going up there. Um, but in that stretch, I think we may have only written one song. Wow. Um, we were we we've been playing the same songs for like since we started out, like those songs were were already there. So it started feeling like you know, this is not really about making music anymore, which is you know, uh it understandably when you when you do get to that point and you you start getting those expectations on you, um, that is understandable that people, you know, they expect you to act a certain way. It's not like we were ever signed to a label that was you know making us do that stuff. Um, but that's just unfortunately the things you have to do if you want to make it in the industry. Um, and for me it got to a point where I was like, you know, I don't care about that anymore. I I just want to make music. Um, and you know, that like when I when I did leave the band, um, I'd be lying to you if there weren't like some some hurt feelings between members, um, which is also fair and valid. Um, but I think now and also going forward in time, the guys will understand why I did what I did. Um, and it's also like I you know, I'm talking more about why I left La Focalordi in terms of getting out of there. Um one of the main reasons I actually left, which is maybe a bit more, is that I want to focus doing my own music. You know, um, I want to I want to write my own songs, I want to sing my own lyrics. Um, has nothing necessarily to do with me not enjoying what we did with LaFocalordie. Um, but I think it gets to a point where, you know, with LaFocalortie, we played Millipop, Misty Waters, we played a Ram show, we played um Falk of Policy Car's Birthday at Loftus. Um, it gets to a point when you when you've done all of that stuff, it's like, you know, the ceiling is only like so high, especially in South Africa, of what you can actually do. So once you achieve most of those things, you start generally thinking like, well, what what what left is what else is left for me? And is it something that I want to do with LaFocalory or is it something that I need to do by myself? I did tell the guys and I did make it publicly known that I I want them to continue without me and keep it going. So maybe they can do an interview with you guys and follow up on that. Um, but it seems like you know, LaFocalori won't end just because I'm not there. And I wouldn't want it to. It's like, you know, obviously I was one of the founding members of the band and I wrote a lot of music in the band and I helped make the band what it is now. And you know, whenever a band goes through a lineup change, it's never gonna sound exactly the same, it's not gonna be the same. Um, but who's to say it won't be better without me? You know, only time will tell. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Time will tell, yeah, yeah. Before we jump into you know, Violent Frog and Overshow Musician as well. Uh, obviously you did mention that, you know, it it it there was no way, and I and I totally understand, there's no way that the guys wouldn't have felt some type of way. With that being said, I mean, are you guys still good though? Like, are you guys still in touch? You know, are you still in touch with some of the guys in the band?

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I mean, I'm I'm uh I'm I'm still friends with all of the guys. I mean, we still share stupid memes all the time. I'm still on the band group chat. At some point I won't be, and maybe we can make like a separate group chat just for the memes and the shit posting. Um, but like, yeah, I mean, I saw Yaquin last night, you know, so we still hang out, uh, we still talk, and yeah, those guys are like, you know, I I don't want to get like emotional here for a second, but um I remember in 2023, my mom passed away, and on the night that my mom passed away, um, to give some context, uh, my family's home is in Secunda, which is about a two-hour drive out of Joe Burg, and all of the guys showed up on the night and they drove from Joe Burg just to like be with me for like half an hour. So, you know, those guys are like my brothers for life. It doesn't matter what happens with bands or anything, it's like we're gonna be friends forever.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Man, so heartfelt, really wholesome, and I'm really glad that you guys are still, you know, in touch and that it's actually a positive ending, bro. Uh, tell me a bit about uh obviously the two projects, uh Violent Frog and Overshowing Musician. You know, what are you sort of giving the listener here that they may not have you know experienced or heard in Le Focalori?

SPEAKER_01 15:20

Well, I think for starters, I mean, first start start talking about uh violent frogs. Um so, you know, I did I did start Violent Frogs while I was still in Le Focalori. And quite simply the reason I started that is because I had all of this music that I wanted to write and nowhere to really put it. Um, so I started like sort of amateurly home producing my own music. Um, not necessarily because I didn't want a like a known producer like you know, an Everett Sneyman or a Lucas Cowling to get involved. It's more like I also wanted to learn how to produce my own music. Um so you know, like within that process, I've learned a lot. So now it's kind of funny. Um, I actually just upgraded my studio monitors, and um, when I go back and listen to my old stuff, I'm like, wow, this mix is terrible, or like, you know, this master is terrible. Um, so it it for me the whole thing is like more vulnerability in the sense of like not trying to hide imperfections. Like I can show you that hey, I don't necessarily know how to EQ vocals 100%, or I don't know how to balance my reverb enough, but at the same time, I feel like that kind of gives it more of a human aspect of music. And I've always been of the opinion that like the imperfections in music are what makes it great. So for me, just putting it out there, if like my phone is ringing accidentally during a recording, or the dog barked, um, I mean, I'm not living in like a I don't have like a full-on studio going on here, like soundproofing and stuff. Um, it still gets picked up and you know sometimes it makes it it makes it cool. Um, and I guess for for over-sharing musician, it's a similar vibe where maybe a bit more stripped back. I guess the vibe there I try to go for is more like if I can just pick up an acoustic guitar and sing into a mic, which is like the mo, in my opinion, the most vulnerable thing you can do as a musician. I mean, having not nothing to really shield you from mistakes or having nothing to really fall back on or like say, okay, no, well, I mean, if you change the reverb and the vocal here, then you can although I mean if you pick up a guitar and you and you make a mistake, it's there, you know. Unless you want to do the whole song again, you've got to do it. Um, so yeah, uh my my hope is that you know, for both of those projects, I will eventually play live. With Oversharing Musician, it's quite it's a lot more simpler to do that because it only requires me. Um but for Violent Frogs, you know, um it will require a band. Um and I am currently recruiting members, um, as well as working on other songs. Um, so hopefully soon we will get get on stage and play the songs live.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Do you want to drop us uh an exclusive here, bro? And maybe a little hint at uh who might be you know part of that band. Uh obviously the band setup of violent frogs.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

Ah well, I can tell you for like 100% certainty that no members of La Focal Laure are in the band.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Yeah. I think that's all I can give you for now. Until I have everything like concretely sorted out. Also, I mean, uh, I don't know what what when this is gonna go out, but if you are interested in joining, hit me up.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Yeah, for sure, bro. What I love about what you've what you what you've just explained there is obviously this that that human aspect of it. I think it's something that's really needed, bro, especially in the in the current sort of you know landscape with AI and everything going on.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

Um wow, it's it's it's I feel like we definitely need something like that. Uh there, I don't, I don't feel I feel like there's no better time to do something like this than right now. It's a very welcome break in sort of the system and what's actually happening. So obviously, you as an artist, you know, under these two sort of like you know, monikers will say, you know, the this this new sort of setup between the two. You can also exclusively say that no AI is used obviously in the creation of any of the music that you are making, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:40

Yeah, absolutely. No AI.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Yeah. I mean, what is your stance on that, bro? Do you feel like I don't know if you've been following, I posted in the in our Discord the one time about uh Creedo V Daniels. Uh he but he's obviously not in the L scene, so some of the guys weren't really aware of what is happening. But you know, a South African artist that's been called out for utilizing, you know, AI to make music, and um he had he wasn't really upfront about you know the entire process, and he sort of got caught out when he was performing, you know, about how there was like a very massive difference between the recorded article and you know his live performance being what people are calling you know horrible. Uh you know, for your what's your sort of stance? Because I've seen a couple of people come out as well and be like, yo, you know, it's it's cool if you use it as a tool. Um, I saw an artist recently talking about how you know it's no different to when you know autotune came out, and autotune is something that is you know widely used. Um, what is your view on that, bro?

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Well, look, I mean, regarding AI as a whole thing, I use it at work when I'm doing Excel spreadsheets, um, and I don't want to necessarily spend six hours in my day doing an Excel spreadsheet. Um, so I think for I mean, it's also a thing of like in the corporate world, it is kind of pushed on you. Like, as soon as you open uh your emails, it's Microsoft Copilot staring at you, Claude is staring at you, ChatGPT is staring at you, and all of those things help when you're doing your job. Um, but I feel like when it comes to creative endeavors, it should not be a primary source of creation. You know, I I I've seen the argument from I think his name is Sam Altman. Is he the Suno guy? I'm not too sure. But he was saying like it makes music making music so much easier. You don't have to actually learn how to do anything. But you know, the hours that you put in, like learning an instrument, learning how to sing, learning how to produce, that is what actually makes it an artistic thing. If you think about any sort of artistic endeavor, like Vincent Van Gogh uh painting Starry Starry Night, you know, it is not perfect. There's no I mean, there's no real definition of what perfect in art is, but you can see in his paintings that he did things the way that he wanted to do them, and that expression came out of him on his canvas. And I feel like if you're gonna apply, you have to apply the same thing to music as well, whereas like the first time you heard Elton John sing Rocket Man, you know, just with him in a piano, like it's not perfect, it it can never be perfect, like there's no such thing as perfect. But the fact that he performed it the way that he did and wrote the song and recorded it, that is what makes it an artistic endeavor. And if you you know, if you talk back about the the autotune aspect of it, I'm not against autotune per se as a musician, I just don't personally use it. I don't think it's exactly the same thing. Because you know, autotune, you still need a producer to dial it in. Um, whereas, you know, with the AI, it's it's like, hey, give me here put these songs together, these chords together, put these lyrics together, um, and it's basically stealing from other people, you know. And and for me, that's that's not look that we can go on for hours because if you if you open that kind of worms, you could also make the argument that I steal from Tom Morello and Darren Malakian and all the guitarists I like, but the counterpoint to that I would make is yes, I might steal a roof idea or like a a a mannerism of playing, but I'll never be able to do it like them. And in trying to steal or steal what they do, I kind of end up doing my own thing. So yeah, that's that's my stance on it.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

No one can do it like you can, like a carbon copy talk about. It's like one of one.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Yeah, I don't wanna I don't wanna blow smoke up my own ass, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

But you know, what one of the things that I actually enjoyed about Little Quality as well, just beyond the music, was how vocal you guys were and how you often took a stance, you know, against anything that you know is pretty cuck, bro. Um one of the things uh I'm referring to here was obviously Spotify as well. And uh there's actually an interview where I tried to speak to Dwayne about it as well, but obviously it sort of gives me or the impression that I've gotten locally is that um there isn't as much backlash against uh Spotify as there is against, say, maybe like AI, for example. Like people aren't as vocal, number one, and uh number two, artists locally are still putting stuff up on Spotify, you know. And you know, one of the things when I was when I was talking to Duane, you know, one of the things that he mentioned to me was that, you know, he's not necessarily 100% clued up on what you know is actually happening when it comes to you know Spotify and why you know someone might even consider not putting their stuff up on there? What's your stance on it now? You know, being you know on your own on the side? Um, are you pro Spotify? Why would you say for you personally, when you were part of LeFour Colladi, why would you say that was something that you would have greenlit, you know, as being like, yo, let's not put our stuff up on Spotify? Like, why would you have gone that direction? And would you still maintain the same direction with your side with your projects or the main projects now?

SPEAKER_01 25:17

Yeah, yeah. I've I I'm I'm gonna drop a bit of a bombshell here and actually say that all the violent frogs and oversharing musician songs are on Spotify. Um then circling back to the La Focalory aspect of it. Um whenever we made a decision as a band, it wasn't necessarily a collective unanimous agreement, but one thing we always did is regardless of who made the decision, um, we always stick by that. Um, so I'm not gonna say whose decision it was or or like you know who in the band different members were very adamant that we get off Spotify, but what I will say is that there's two ways to kind of look at it. Um so you know, the aspect of like taking your music off Spotify, we all know that you know Spotify for starters, there's the whole AI war thing that they invest in. Um there's also the the aspect of them not paying artists fairly. If you if you take, for example, a local band like La Focalordi, and you know, like we did, say we're gonna pull our music from Spotify, um, it might help a little bit in getting people to get off the platform. However, it doesn't help as much as Beyonce or you know uh Rihanna saying, We're take I'm taking my music off Spotify. So it it often feels like the ethical burdens kind of get put onto smaller artists when it's the bigger artists who should actually be doing it. Uh, you know, I think at LaFor Calori's peak we had like 2,000 monthly listeners, and that's like microscopic. You've you've also got to remember that the the listeners that you have, they're not necessarily your die hard fans. They will have your song on a playlist along with Sunken State, along with Middle Grounds, along with Drumfish, all of these bands. So if you say I'm taking my music off Spotify, most of those people will be like, Okay, well, I'm not gonna change to a more expensive platform just because you're not on it, you know. So there is two aspects of it. I I personally think that um musicians, artists, you should you should do what you want to do regarding the Spotify thing. Um, it it's it is unfortunate, it it is it has become the industry standard, and it it unfortunately that's not gonna change for a very long time until some you know we are hoping for like the AI bubble to burst. Um maybe it will happen, maybe it won't. And I think it's the same with Spotify. Like, so you've got to use your own discretion, decide whether that's right for you. Um, you know, another argument you could use is like, you know, if if you're a if you're a band that has under 200 monthly listeners on Spotify and you have like under a thousand streams on your songs, what's what's the point of having it on Spotify? Um you're not really benefiting from it, you know, you're not um you're not getting on playlists, you're not you're not getting money from it. But on the flip side, you you you might say like, yeah, but you know, what if I want to play a festival and the the organizer asks specifically for a Spotify thing? Because that is a thing, you know, like like they they do specifically ask how many monthly listeners do you have, how many streams do you have? And then he's you you know, if you if you if you say like, yeah, well, you know, fuck Spotify, then they're gonna be like, Well, we don't know whether we should book you or not. So it's it's a really shit situation, to be honest with you. But for me personally, right now, my music's on Spotify. If you want to listen to it, great. If you don't, great. Um, the option is there. Maybe, maybe, maybe that that stance will change in a year or two. I don't know, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

No, it's absolutely beautiful, bro. So obviously, with that bombshell that you dropped there, uh, the music is on Spotify. Shout outs. Yes. Um, definitely, I think we should. Um, I'm definitely gonna leave links to to some of the music uh obviously in the description. Um, are there any shows? Uh obviously, you are still putting, you know, Violent Frogs together in terms of there being a band. Over sharing musician is something that you say falls more on your shoulders. Um, can we sort of expect any performance coming up soon before we even wrap up on this episode? I just want to know future plans as well for you.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

At the moment, I don't have any shows planned up in any capacity. Um, but as soon as I get that stuff sorted out, you'll hear from it like on the social media platforms on Instagram. And yeah, that's that's where you'll find out.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

And obviously, with uh anything else that you might be working on, then that we might expect. Obviously, shows we can't expect, you know, obviously for you to be playing live anytime soon. But um, can we maybe expect a new drop, maybe a new single, uh, or maybe a project that you might be working on? What is coming up for for Shanesse just in general, bro?

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Yes, so there is a song that is like 99% done. I'm actually going, I'm actually getting it mastered externally by a friend of mine just to get like um an a second opinion on it, you know. Um, and what I will say is if you go click on the violent frogs, the oversharing musician stuff, don't uh don't hate on the mix too much. It is a lot better now. So when I when I release the song, it's gonna sound a lot better.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

It goes back to that human aspect, bro, where it's like, you know, uh as human beings, we evolve, we keep improving. So we'll be looking back at this interview and you saying that, and by then the song that you're speaking of now that is 99% done will have been out for quite some time. But whatever stuff you'll be on, you know, two or three years from now will obviously also sonically be better. You know, we're seeing the growth, you know, from track to track. That's something that AI or anything else can't give you. I really appreciate that about the projects that you're doing. Yeah, it's it's something that I really yeah, I enjoy that, bro. But yeah, man, I mean, I I don't want to let you go before, you know, maybe if if you do have any last words or anything that you want to share at all, bro. Um, for me, it's just been such a privilege even having you on the show and sort of looking back at what you've achieved and conquered. It actually, you know, was something that you know it hit even harder for me when you were mentioning all the shows that you guys have played. Because it just, you know, it it it sort of confirms, you know, how just just how great, you know, your contribution was to LeFour Colordi. And I think it's also just a stamp of you know, of things to come as well. That you know, the projects that you have going at the moment are are definitely, you know, those that people should actually look out for because you know, yeah, you having the experience that you had with LeFocalordi, it's gonna be insane, it's gonna be incredible, bro. So I don't know if there's is there anything you want to sort of you know say before we even close out and before we we leave that you want us to carry. Yes. Um, and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

I I I would like to say if if anyone here is watching or listening and you are a LaFocalordie fan and you may be sad about the fact that I'm not in the band anymore, I want you to know 100% that LaFocalordi is still happening, they are replacing me, and I'm fine with it. So don't don't hate them for that. Please go to their shows, listen to their music, and support the guys. Support local music. There's so many, there's so many great bands, so many great local musicians. Just please support local music. Don't support AI slop.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

Couldn't have said it any better myself, bro. Thank you for joining me on this episode. Uh, where can people sort of check out some of the projects? Obviously, it is up on Spotify and so on, but you know, I will be putting up links as well in the in the description. Uh, social media, are you still on there? Where can people sort of get your handles and so on? Who are you on there?

SPEAKER_01 33:11

On Instagram, I'm at Oversharing Musician, also at Violent Frogs Music. You can catch me there. That's that's where I'm mostly active. And yeah, drop me a DM, even if you don't want to talk about music.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Shoutouts. And obviously, you can catch Sludge Underground on our website, sludgeunderground.com. We're also on all social media platforms at Sludge Underground. As for me, it's at Zwane with Yuan on absolutely all social media platforms. Uh, yeah, it's been an epic uh chat between Shinesh and I. I hope you enjoyed and learned a lot about some of the stuff that he has coming up, and that you do tune in and you know listen to all the music and continue supporting him, the four call audi, and the entire scene as a whole. With that being said, we're gonna have to catch you guys next time. Thanks for tuning in. It is bye for now.