Carla Franco on the Cape Town Music Scene, Overcoming Doubt & her "Big Talker" Release

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I'm not gonna lie like I, low-key, listen to it myself.

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I'm just like, yeah, bitch, I'm not gonna lie, you know, just like bop it in my head.

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And hope and pray.

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No one next to me knows that it's me, because that's awkward.

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Can you imagine driving past the car and someone just jamming to their own music?

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What a weirdo.

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My name is Nassipi, as one is my surname.

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I'm the founder of Sledge and Around Podcast, and today I've got Carla Franco with me, who is an amazing, amazing musician.

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She's got over 80K Spotify streams, and this is something that I want to actually sort of zone in on because it's really an impressive feat, something that I want to actually sort of zone in on because it's really an impressive fit.

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You know, as artists, um, I assume what I guess that you know streams are quite important.

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It's one of the ways that musicians can monetize you know their stuff.

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So this is something that I really want to get into, carla, how, how do you actually go about this?

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You know, is this like an organic thing?

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Um, how do you ensure or how did you hit that you know ATK milestone when it comes to streams?

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Honestly, I wish I had an answer for you.

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I don't know.

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I remember just waking up one day and my partner was like have you seen one of those?

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And I was like what are you smoking?

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Like what are you talking about?

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I think a lot of it came from being the cover of the Salt playlist on Spotify and I think that really boosted a lot of sort of listeners.

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Um, scared to love is another one.

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And it's so odd because obviously, as I've gone through the industry, I've been told a lot like just just try and stay away from that sort of acoustic sad gore music.

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You know that's not what's going to be palatable in terms of the commercial music industry, if you want like a treat, and I think I just got to a point in my career where I was like no, I'm just, I'm going to write what I write and that's that.

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And, oddly enough, the song that people told me not to do was a song that did the best.

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So I honestly don't have an answer.

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I think my attitude towards it is I'm just, I'm just grateful and I just hope that people keep listening and keep streaming.

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It's been a bit of a wild journey, I think I I try not to look at those numbers because it can go one of two ways right, which is I need more numbers.

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But then the larger part I choose to focus on is thank god for the numbers.

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There was a time where I only had like 800 streams and I was like, yes, 800 streams watching that sort of go up, however slowly, is still going up.

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So I just choose to be grateful and sort of be like that's wild and I just hope it grows I mean, you do say that you know it's um, you don't have an answer for that, but I feel like it's, it's very valuable what you just said.

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You know the fact that people were, you know, suggesting the sort of stuff that you should do, and you were just like, listen, I'm going to do my own thing.

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Know it's just being true to yourself and just being authentic, you know, to your sound, I would say, is what I picked up there, and it's absolutely incredible that you've been able to achieve that while not having to sacrifice who you really are as an artist.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, I think also, just like coming down to I had nothing to lose, like I was a new local artist it's not like I had banging numbers so I was like I don't have anything to lose, so I might as well do what actually feels right.

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And when you have nothing to lose, you take the risk and I think that's just ultimately what took off with it.

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So, yeah, I appreciate that, thank you.

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Yeah, that's very beautiful and obviously you are out in Cape Town and you're making.

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That's where you're pretty much based and you know there are a lot of great musicians out in Cape Town.

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You've had quite a few bands, you know, from that side there.

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In actual fact, there's also been a couple of bands that have moved from Durban, where I'm based, and have moved to Cape Town.

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They've made a huge success of themselves.

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You know what is the climate like there in Cape Town.

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You know what is the climate like there in Cape Town.

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You know what is the music scene in Cape Town like and how would you say it's conducive to what you're doing as a musician.

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Being in Cape Town like obviously, that's like a stepping stone right.

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I'm from.

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Bloemfontein, which is like Bloemfontein, and I then went to the Eastern Cape to study and then I went back to Gauteng and I was based in Gauteng for about four or five years.

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Um, had a great run like I really love Gauteng.

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I know people call it the concrete jungle, but there's really a lot of essence and and culture and diversity in Johannesburg.

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Um, so that was hard to leave behind.

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But I just got a job opportunity at my nine to five as a teacher in Cape Town.

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It was a no-brainer.

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I just thought it was time.

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It was time to just kind of try and get into the Cape Town music scene, because it's a completely different ball game.

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Um, and I just again it was I have nothing to lose like I might as well go.

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This is something I've always imagined doing.

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The music scene in Cape Town, I think, is so new to me.

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I mean, I've only been here for a year and Cape Town's one of those slow places.

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Like you don't just come to Cape Town and be like, yeah, I'm here, let's do it.

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It's really a different setup in terms of the openness that is in Joburg isn't inherently.

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Yeah, it's not a bad thing, it's just different.

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And so I actually recently did a band or bus competition with texan, the city, um and house of machines and that was really other than opening up for casey lowry in december last year.

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It was my second gig since I've moved here, um, and the finals was actually yesterday and we won.

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So that is really setting the tone.

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For, you know, know, my music career in Cape Town.

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It's new, you know as much as it's still South Africa.

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It's a completely different setting.

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So you're kind of at the bottom again.

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You've got to network from the start.

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You've got to like build up sort of who you know, how to get live gigs, how to do that.

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But I think also, cape Town, I think, is a lot more receptive to my style and that was unexpected.

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I really thought, like Pretoria and Johannesburg, I was worried that, like, the audience wouldn't receive my music as well and they've actually received it better.

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I think Cape Town just has an extra sort of appreciation for the artistry behind what we do rather than the fun behind what we do.

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Does that make sense?

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Um, so I'm really looking forward to gigging more and getting out there more.

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My focus right now is creating, writing and networking, um, and that takes time.

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So I'm enjoying it.

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Um, I think I'm finally getting my feet.

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Um, but yeah, it's a slow process, um not in a bad way, just different.

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I think it's rather interesting that you're mentioning it's a slow process, um, not in a bad way, just different.

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I think it's rather interesting that you're mentioning it being a slow process and being new to cape town, but you're obviously being noticed and recognized by one of the biggest platforms in south africa, being text in the city and, uh, that's absolutely incredible to do, you know, um, even for just artists who are starting out or artists that you, you know, aspire to be recognized by a platform like Tex, you know how do you sort of go about that.

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Is it just part of you know, the process is stemming from the stuff that you did previously and it's just sort of like a knock-on effect.

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We actually submitted my album to Tex, my first album, my debut album, which is chapter one, and the review was heinous.

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It was so bad, oh my.

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I was like who's gonna break me?

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What am I gonna do?

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And I was just like no.

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And I actually spoke to tecla um, which, if you're familiar with you, know she runs the show and she's like a badass queen, and I was just like you know what, thank you, because it really propelled me to make sure that layers would not leave room for a bad review, um, and so I think, through the album um, you know, I think they were semi familiar with me already, but nobody had seen me live at that point, um, and then one of my friends, actually, oddly enough, two days before the deadline for band or bus, she was like just apply, like what do you have to do?

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Just like apply, um.

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And at that point I had a job on a basis so that we can, we can do this, like we legitimately can make it happen.

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And I applied and, um, I was one of the six artists that was selected, thank god, um.

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And that is what I think when you, when you enter a platform like that, um, the introduction to other artists as well.

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You know like I work with pixie work, with dali, with um, cinematic rejects, like I'm also getting to know artists as well.

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You know like I work with Pixiework, with Dali, with Cinematic Rejects, like I'm also getting to know artists I didn't know.

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So I think definitely again, it just branches out a lot more.

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So I think that opportunity has really been great for me because, beyond just performing, we're also connecting with other artists that are from you, that are writers, that are producers, that work in a team, and that kind of dynamic it makes the journey a lot less lonely.

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I think being an artist can be a very lonely thing and just knowing that like it's okay, like we're all going through it, like it's going to be all right, just like keep pushing.

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So it's been a really inspiring opportunity and a really eye-opening opportunity, and I think that's what it's about.

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I always say like there's enough space for all of us.

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There really is enough space for all of us.

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It's just a matter of like egging each other on rather than being like, but why do they get it and I don't get it?

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I think there's a lot of beauty in that room of I want this for you and I think the karmic energy of that means you'll be rewarded.

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I really believe, like what you put out is what you get.

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So yeah, it's been great.

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It's just been a really great opportunity that I'm grateful for.

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But it's also platforms like this.

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We need these things.

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And, like artists that are independent, like myself, it's a struggle, like, and I don't think people understand how expensive it is to do what we do and yeah, I'm just grateful, um, and yeah, I'm just grateful, like as much as texas also platform.

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This is a platform, you know, it's like just opening up that door for everybody.

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So, you know, I think it's just making space for artists and paying attention to artists, and these platforms allow us to do that.

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So I think it's just a matter of gratitude.

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I think that's really sort of the space I'm in right now just a space of gratitude, and it's completely altered my mental health and it's altered my approach to music, um, in the best way.

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That way, I think cape town's offered me something that nowhere else has offered me this element of just gratitude and I think one of the key takeaways from what you just said there as well, is just being able to take, you know, all sorts of criticism.

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You know you'll.

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You'll take the good stuff and you'll take the bad stuff.

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As you said, text, you know the the review wasn't quite, you know, desirable, or one that was you know in a sense.

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So yes, it's funny critique should propel you rather than break you 100 percent um.

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So again, perspective.

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I think perspective will really determine whether you're gonna like shoot for it or just let it end.

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Um, and it's tough to get in this industry.

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So yeah, I think if you just have an attitude of gratitude yeah, for sure.

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I think one of the hip-hop guys in the industry once said don't hate congratulate.

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So it's definitely up that alley, and it's something that I can really appreciate as well that's gonna be fun.

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That's gonna be fun.

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Don't hate congratulate, I love that I see, I see you also.

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Um worked with a band that we've we've had on the show in the past, deep within lockdown, um zebra and with, allow me, so you guys work together on the track.

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How was it working with zebra?

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Uh, because they're one of the most fun.

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You know guys out there you've interviewed, which means you know they are a bunch of clowns.

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Let's start there funniest lads I've ever been around in a long time and I think sometimes people, because they're so energetic and fun that the music isn't good.

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And when you hear boom's voice, like you hear these boys voices, it's unreal.

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How much talent is there.

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Like a lot of people get caught up in their fun, because I think that's the essence of zebra is fun and a celebration of south african culture throughout.

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Um, that's really how I summarize them.

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And I literally didn't even know them.

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I'd walked into some studios.

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I had a rehearsal for we had a gig I think it was mark first and we were just rehearsing for the show.

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Um, this is when I was still based in patoya and one of the guys that worked at the studio said listen, why don't you just stay on?

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Deb was going to rehearse.

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I'd really.

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I think you'll really enjoy their music and really enjoy the guys.

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So I was like, cool, I don't have anything to do, I'll stay.

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Um, and in that way I met them and I just reached out to them and I was like boy, it's like long shot, but like I've got this song and I had that bass line for, allow me that, and I don't know.

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I just thought it needed that proper african essence that they've got.

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And I was like, right, let's go.

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And I reached out to them and they were like, let's do it.

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Um, it was so much fun.

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We actually have a behind the scenes video of the whole process and it was just it's fun.

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I honestly don't know how else to explain it.

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They're just a fun group of boys and a really talented group of boys, and I mean even Duncan like I don't know if you're familiar with like Duncan's drumming skills unreal.

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And I mean even Duncan like I don't know if you're familiar with like Duncan's drumming skills unreal.

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And I was really surprised by, like, their music talent and their vocal talent.

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Um, oh, it was just such a good time.

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I honestly I smile every time I think about it because they're just so much fun yeah, and I really love what you said there.

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You know you needed sort of that African essence in there and I don't think there's any band that's as South African as they are.

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I mean, they bring that proper South African sort of sound.

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I remember listening to Allow Me and I was like this is South Africa.

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It really is.

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I appreciate that.

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Thank you, because, like that was the goal, I was like I'm not trying to write a technically perfect song, I just want to write a bop and just have fun with it and our culture and the diversity of our culture that band itself is diverse, um.

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So just felt like the right foot and I'm just very grateful that we're keen to be on the project yeah, and one thing I really appreciate about you, carla, is the fact that you know you aren't afraid of collaborating with.

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You know local artists we just spoke of zebra right now and in layers as well.

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You know you collaborated with quite a few.

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You know South African artists and that's something that could really be appreciated at the moment.

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You know which other South African artists are you sort of listening to, which bands or local artists are on your playlist at the moment.

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I really thoroughly enjoy Mikasa.

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I think just because it was like the essence growing up with them, like I mean I was listening to, like Liquid Deep.

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I also really enjoy Lungelo Moore, another artist that I collab with my artist.

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What a cool dude and like he grinds man, I don't know many artists that grind like lungelo grinds.

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I think it's also just like a respect thing just knowing how much he grinds because he loves us so much, like there's nothing else that makes sense to him.

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Yeah, you put me on the spot, man.

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That's what I got, not my first answer, not my finest moment, um, but I just completely slammed the blank there.

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So you gave me some pretty solid names there.

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I don't want to lie.

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So you did.

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You did a solid.

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There's plenty of artists, all of them are super talented, including yourself and, uh, speaking of talents, obviously you dropped a banger, you know, recently, uh, with big talker, which is a very beautiful song.

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It was my introduction, uh, to the world of you know k Carla and it's the song that you know Warren came to me with and he's like dude, you got to check this out and you got to have Carla on and I listened to it and one of the things for me that stands out is just how powerful your voice is.

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Like there literally isn't anyone right now in South Africa that has a voice as distinctive as yours, like you can instantly recognize.

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Oh, my gosh, that's Carla, you know, and obviously it's absolutely incredible the song itself, the writing, the vibes, absolutely beautiful.

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Tell me about the recording process of Big Talker and how it came about.

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Firstly, if I could jump through the screen and hug you, I would, I really really appreciate that.

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Thank you, man.

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I really I appreciate that, honestly.

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So the recording process for big talker was actually whack.

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Um, I'll be honest, like let's be straight with one another.

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Like I was ready to just hang up the guitar, like that was the point I was like for big talker, um, I would just like I don't know that, like like on a teacher's salary that I can afford to keep being an independent artist.

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Like it's difficult, like a lot of times you feel stagnated and it's hard to like process that you are so much further than you were before.

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I think I'm incredibly driven.

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I know what I want.

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I know that my craft can get me there.

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I believe in my craft for the first time in years.

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Like I truly feel like I can do this, like I can do this, whereas you know, in the past it was like, can I do this?

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Whereas now I'm like I can do this, like, and I'm going to do this.

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And I think I just reached a point where I was like how much more, like can I do?

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And I thought to myself you know what, carla?

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Yeah, pop isn't your essence, like pop, writing is tough.

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I always tell people like I'm very good with the saddies and like indie, acoustic sort of music, like that's my root, but to do pop is a skill.

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Like you don't do pop, it's a learned skill.

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I think some people get it naturally, so pop for me is a challenge, um, and I just thought to myself I had that rope, that and I was like this is giving late 90s, early 2000s and it just took me to like Weeters, teenage Dirtbag and like Blink-182, which is like handy is what I was listening to, like in my late primary school, early high school era and I just thought to myself it was so nostalgic and through that the writing just came and I just remember thinking honestly, like I manifested it.

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I was like this is a hit, like let me go record this, because if Big Talker doesn't make waves, hey boy, like guys you know, and I reached out to my friend Wesley Van der Westhuisen because he also moved down from johannesburg.

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Um, he's got a home studio and I messaged him and I was like I want to do vocals, I want to lay down the guitar stems, when can we do?

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it yeah literally five days later, went into studio, recorded it.

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Um, big talker, was a lot of fun because I did all the harmonies myself.

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It was the first time that I went to the studio and I had a very concise, very clear idea of where I wanted this song to go, because usually I just kind of feel it, and we did all those harmonies and I'm really starting to be obsessed with harmonies.

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So for me it was super fun because I was like I really get to bring out this sort of punk pop era of my career and I think Lullaby in Layers was really sort of like starting to hint at that and I think, big Talker, we just nailed it on the head, um, and it was so fun to record.

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I recorded the whole process.

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Then I sent it through to my producer, hendrik, who goes by Palachrome, excellent producer, an even better friend, and we've been working together since chapter one.

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It's just a team that makes sense.

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He understands what I want to do, like I always say to him, thank you for understanding my language through music.

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Like there's no one that understands me and that kind of pulled everything together and within two weeks it was done.

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I sent it through to gareth at virgin music and he was just like carla this is probably like the best song I've heard you do.

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I wanted to do something a little more.

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Quote unquote commercial.

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That was definitely the intention behind Big Talker and I've just come to really enjoy it.

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We actually did it live yesterday and you're in the crowd like sing along and having a bop with us.

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Yeah, again, like it was just such an enjoyable process and I do think it was very divine intervention because in recording Big Talker I was like you're not hanging up your guitar and in that way Big Talk is one of the most meaningful songs to me, even though it's not the deepest song I've written.

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Just on the basis of it reignited me and reminded me that this is what I want to do.

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I'm not going to lie Like.

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I, low-key, listened to it myself.

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I was like, yeah, you know, just like and hope and pray no one next to me know that it's me because that's awkward.

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Can you imagine driving past the car and someone just jamming to their own music?

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What a weirdo.

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Um, but it's just.

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Yeah, I really enjoyed it and I think it was it was very necessary to do big talker for greater purposes than just the song.

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Um, yeah, I appreciate that you've been enjoying it because, yeah, it was intended to be a fun song at this point in time, right the big talk music video has dropped.

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It has dropped.

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Yeah, I mean, I mean, how did you?

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Okay, how did you guys come up with the concepts or the music video?

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it looks absolutely good I want to create content that doesn't feel like a burden.

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I really want my brand to be polished and to be very clean and very expensive, and especially in terms of you know like I want to be known as an artist that's always on time, my band's always going to look good, we're going to make sure everything runs smoothly, reliable, and I think that is missing in the industry, but it's very important for me that I'm not one of those artists, and so I was like to create expensive looking content is expensive, like if you have the proper you know proper videography, the proper setup.

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It's not a cheap, easy thing to do and that puts me off content creation.

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I almost become paralytic's, like I don't even know where to begin because I'm so caught up on the but what is it going to look like?

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What do I do?

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What if it's cringe?

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And I was like I am awkward, like I'm an awkward human and I am a dork and I like I'm just, I don't care, like I'm a clown.

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I will embarrass myself on the daily for the sake of like making people laugh and making people have a good time.

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And I was like my music doesn't necessarily reflect that.

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Why don't I reflect that in my content?

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Because if you come to my live shows.

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You know that's how I am.

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But what about people who are listening?

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What about people who are streaming?

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What about people who are watching?

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And that was the key moment.

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I'm like I'm gonna create cringe, chaotic content like that's gonna be what it is because then it's not as paralyzing.

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And so I just started making a fool of myself and I figured big talker, with that nostalgia and that fun commercial sound that it's got everything fell into place.

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I was like, okay, this is the time I'm gonna push TikTok, I'm gonna push Instagram, I'm gonna create this contentok.

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I'm gonna push instagram, I'm gonna create this content.

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I'm an actor fool, because that's who I am.

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Like, I take my music seriously, but the person I am is I like I just like to have a good laugh.

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I don't think we laugh enough.

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Um, so, literally on my tiktok, I'll be like this is where you come for chaotic and cringe content, like that's what it is.

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And so it's just authentic fun, me acting like a fool, hoping you guys will listen to my music.

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That's really all it is.

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And so, big talkers, music video encompasses that paulo franco, I want to thank you for joining me, uh, for this chat.

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I've learned so much about you and I really just love your music.

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I love what you're doing.

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Um, your product is super clean, and I also just want to thank warren as well for organizing this with Plug Music Agency.

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Warren.

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Awesome people, For sure, yeah and yeah.

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Where should people find you if they want to find your stuff?

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You mentioned, you know, Instagram.

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You mentioned TikTok and so on.

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Give us your handles.

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So I'm most active on Instagram.

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I think that's a generational thing, I'll be honest.

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I'm the most active on Instagram.

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Really, that's where you're going to find everything.

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It's CarlaFranco underscore official.

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If you want TikTok, it's CarlaFranco underscore SA.

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But if you go to my Instagram, there'll be a link in my bio and it's a short link that'll take you to all my socials.

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So one-stop shop.

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Go to Instagram at CarlaFranco underscore official.

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You'll find my threads, you'll find my TikTok, you'll find the Facebook.

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You'll find my threads, you'll find my TikTok, you'll find the Facebook.

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You'll find YouTube, you'll find Spotify, you'll find Apple.

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Everything is there and you just type in Carla Frank on Spotify, apple, deezer, google Play, whatever it is that you use, and I'll be there.

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And if I'm not there, please let me know, because that's whack, what is that?

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You can find me and I really really hope that people enjoy the music and I think through me, I hope they also learn more about other artists, because I'm very, very passionate about making sure that other artists are also getting noticed and that we all can just live the dream.

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I think we all want it really badly, um, and there's enough events, there's enough going on that we can all thrive and shine and also, in a digital age, there's nothing stopping you from streaming other artists' music.

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So, yeah, big Talker will be on YouTube, obviously, and I'm really looking forward to more people, more listeners, and, yeah, I hope people enjoy it.

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Epic.

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And yeah, for those who have been watching this episode, I just want to thank you as well for tuning in every week to check out all the wholesome guests that we have.

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I in every week to check out all the wholesome guests that we have.

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I hope you've learned something from carla franco as well.

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Do remember to check her out on the socials, but also check us out as well.

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We are on instagram at sludge underground and obviously on tiktok as well.

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We recently joined in there, so do check us out.

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It's at sludge underground.

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We've got our discord server that is currently out.

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I'll leave the link in the description, so do join that there.

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And obviously one of the best ways to support Sludgeon of Iron is to purchase that merch.

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As you can see in the background, I've got some of that there, wearing it myself as well, so I'll leave all the links to the store as well for you to check that out.

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Otherwise, I think we should play out with just a snippet of Big Talker, since the music video is out and for anyone who's listening to the audio version of this.

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We're going to play a bit of the audio for you, but I do urge you to go out and stream that on Spotify.

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Go watch the video, add to the views.

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But ultimately, thank you for tuning in From myself, nassipi Edzwani, with you on social media and Carla and I.

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It is bye for now.

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Big talker, sweet talker, you've been on my mind.

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Say you want to see me, want to kiss me, but you're never real.

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You're a cheater and I love you.

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Go for overkill.

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Big talker, sweet talker, you've been on my mind.

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Big talker, Such a sweet.

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My love is what you call me.